Discussing
A Christian Vote for Gary Johnson in 2016

Jordan Ghiglia

Jordan Ghiglia
August 30, 2016

Particularly when it comes to immigration, Gary Johnson's positions most closely align with Christian convictions.

Brittnee
August 31, 2016

You do know that stem cells are obtained from places other than aborted children, right? I ask because the way it is phrased implys that stem cells can only be obtained through abortion and that's simply not true. The applications of stem cell research are positive far and wide when conducted ethically. Please do more research into this before branding it as such a negative thing.

JordanG
August 31, 2016

In Reply to Brittnee (comment #28969)
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Hi Brittnee,

Thanks for the comment. While you are correct that Stem Cell research can be done in other ways than embryonic, I am specifically talking about embryonic Stem Cell research (hence the abortion subheading). I think that we can both agree that this form of Stem Cell research is negative. As far as the other forms of SC research go I agree that I need to do more research, but since I had a word count limit, there definitely wasn't room to get too far down that road. Thank you again, I agree that this is a subject I need to be more educated in.

Cale Judd
August 31, 2016

Jordan, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Permit me to offer a couple of my own.

The Libertarian Party does not support any federal resolution to the abortion holocaust that engulfs our nation. The problem with that position is that the federal government is already involved in this issue and is ostensibly responsible for the current state of affairs. Ending the holocaust will require a federal solution. So if I were going to vote for a third-party candidate, I'd choose the Constitution Party candidate, Darrell Castle.

I'm not voting for Castle, however, because no third-party candidate can win this election. Either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton will be the next president of the United States. I don't like those choice, but they're the only real options we have. I don't especially like Trump. I vocally opposed him in the primary season. But now the Hillary is the alternative, I've decided to vote for Trump.

Given that either the Democrat or Republican candidate will be our next president, and given that most of us don't like either one of them, I think the next step in making our decision should be to consider the two party platforms, which are as different as night and day. Pastor Jim Garlow has summed up his evaluation well at http://www.charismanews.com/politics/opinion/59206-if-you-re-on-the-fence-about-your-vote-this-pastor-clarifies-how-the-very-future-of-america-is-at-stake.

Respectfully,
Cale Judd

JordanG
August 31, 2016

In Reply to Cale Judd (comment #28971)
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Hi Cale,

I absolutely agree with you that the problem is a federal one. The solution, however, is complex. I don't believe that we currently live in a country where we can end abortion with one federal action or candidate, we're too far gone for that (in my opinion). Johnson, who heavily believes in the states' right to choose is by no means the hero that we need, but he offers 'baby steps' in the right direction, which at this point is the best that I can hope for in a candidate. I personally believe that it will be a process, and one that we as Christians need to be heavily involved in. Being in my senior year of college, it is incredible to see what my generation believes about abortion. Academia (specifically higher ed institutes) is a battleground that is getting harder and harder to engage in as a Christian and abortion is one of the biggest issues that Christians need to consider before they head into the ballot booth.

As far as no third-party candidate being able to win this year, you may be right. Johnson's run is such a long shot that it would take a historical upset to turn the scales in his favor. But if he can poll at 15% nationally and make an appearance in the debates, it would open the door to future third-party candidates and it would educate a lot of people about the possibility of someone other than Trump or Clinton. This year, more than any other it seems, has shown the American people that the DNC and the RNC are broken and divided from their leadership on down. I believe that before too long we'll see the fall of the two-party system which would allow people to choose candidates who's beliefs align more closely to their own.

Thanks for your thoughts, I will definitely check out Jim Garlow and read up more on Castle. We need more respectful, scripture-based dialogue such as this during this election year.

Grace and Peace,
Jordan Ghiglia

Freddy
August 31, 2016

Your defense of open borders based on Acts 2 is unconvincing considering how that chapter dealt with the receiving of the Holy Spirit by the Apostles and those men speaking different languages to the varied multitude that had gathered for the celebration of Pentecost. They proclaimed the Gospel to the different nations gathered. This has nothing you do with removing borders. Moreover John's revelation declares,

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands."

Distinct, tribes, nations and people all grafted into One Body, Christ.

JordanG
August 31, 2016

In Reply to freddy (comment #28973)
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Hi freddy,

Thanks for the response! I was recently talking with a friend about this, he pointed out the same thing that you point out. I'm not saying that Acts 2 mandates an open border policy, or even that the scripture mandates it. Rather, I am drawing attention to the fact the plight of immigrants is near and dear to God throughout scripture. Further, I find it interesting that the older evangelical crowd (the ones who taught my generation the red and yellow, black and white Sunday school song) are the biggest proponents of immigrant fear-mongering which in some instances is nothing more than thinly-veiled bigotry and racism. In reality, as Christians we should be chomping at the bit for the missional and evangelical opportunities that this could offer. We have a unique way to interact with immigration and instead of stopping and thinking about furthering the kingdom of God, we tend to think about our personal comfort and peace of mind.

Cale Judd
August 31, 2016

Jordan, have you studied the implications of the Personhood Amendment to the Constitution? While a federal Life at Conception Act would overturn Roe v. Wade (a good beginning), a Personhood Amendment, in concert with the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, would effectively abolish abortion in the United States.

It remains, of course, that any law is only as good as the people who administer it. If corrupt people are in power, they will inevitably subvert good law. Ultimately, therefore, we most urgently need a spiritual revival in our nation which will lead to the election, and subsequent appointments, of honorable men and women.

Cale

Bill Wald
August 31, 2016

There are two parallel economies, for those who work for wages and spend 90% of their net pay on monthly bills and for those who sell capital gains and reinvest 90% of their gross increase every year. The worker's economy is sinking while the investors are doing fine.

Would you have a graduated consumption tax? The worker pays the tax on 90% of his income and the investor pays on 10% of his income. How could the top 10% not end up owning 90% of everything worth owning?

Steve
August 31, 2016

Hi Jordan,

It appears that you have adopted the "lesser of three evils" philosophy of voting. I guess it would be unreasonable to expect any one person to adopt Christian principles across the board. I do have some comments, though, on your thoughts.

First, I notice that you have ignored the issue of sexual immorality in America. Is that because all three candidates support the LGBT/sexually immoral stand?

Second, the issue of immigration is not a simple one. If it were just Mexicans looking to find a better life I would say "Welcome". But now there is the reality of terrorism. Who wants those terrorists sneaking across the border? But no one wants to address the real issue of terrorism, which is that the US government has created most of the terrorist organizations throughout the world, intentionally or not. Perhaps one of the solutions to the immigration problem is to solve the terrorism problem.

Third, I agree with you on abortion.

Lastly, taxation. This is the issue that creates the most angst in me. Why, because so few Americans know the rules that govern America, nor do they really care, much preferring to expend their energy complaining. How many know what the four organic laws of the united States of America are? How many know that the 50 states of the Union are sovereign, taking no direction from the federal government? How many know that the congress has NO authority over anything other than federally owned land and federal employees and office holders? How many realize that they have been fraudulently been conned into becoming "office holders" of the United States? Johnson's plan of exchanging one tax for another is merely "smoke and mirrors".

Valerie
September 1, 2016

Have you looked into Darrell Castle, Constitution Party? I find he most closely lines up with my Christian values, especially with his Pro-Life stance. He is scheduled to be on the ballot in over half the states, and an official write-in for the rest except Oklahoma. All we need is to get the word out, but up until now all time and energy has been spent on ballot access.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/get-involved/election-central/ballot-access/

David
September 1, 2016

Abortion is abortion, period. Darrell Castle is pro-life and is absolutely against government being involved in dictating morality. Johnson is more liberal than Clinto or Trump. If you truly want Christina values in a President, there is only one choice. castle2016.com

Maria Sikal
September 1, 2016

Hi .. I am Canadian. My husband and I have been watching and reading and praying through the play by play of the up coming presidential election. My husband and I had thought the same thing. That the light of the American media is focusing on the wrong candidate...and that the one sitting in the wings might be the optimal candidate. However we had read a document that was posted early on that said he his views and policy focus may not line up with our doctrinal plumb either. Just want to confirm where you got your facts? Thank you..

Josh Larsen
TC Staff
September 1, 2016

Hi Maria,

Who are you addressing your question to? Jordan (the post author) or one of the other commenters?

Thanks,

Josh Larsen,
TC editor

Maria Sikal
September 1, 2016

Sorry Jordan..from the writer... Has read another Christian commentary way back that said his stances were no better... Thank you.

Josh Larsen
TC Staff
September 1, 2016

I'm not sure if this is what you mean, Maria, but Jordan links to sources for the claims in his piece (it's the highlighted text). I hope that helps.

Tim Utz
September 1, 2016

Wow there is a candidate for President who holds the values of the Christian faith, and a political part who does more than talk about constitutional principles. The constitution Part has Darrell Castle for President. People have a real choice. www.castle2016.com

Josh Larsen
TC Staff
September 1, 2016

Thanks for weighing in, Castle supporters. We've noted your recommendation!

Josh Larsen,
TC editor

JordanG
September 1, 2016

Thank you all for alerting me to the presence of Darrell Castle, I'll definitely need to look into his stance and his platform more. Given that I haven't heard of him until now, I am definitely not qualified to argue against any of his viewpoints so I won't. I'll get around to responding to all the comments that ask questions/seek constructive conversation. Thank you again everyone for the interaction, keep the comments coming, and be in the Word and in prayer during this election season. God bless.

Guest
September 1, 2016

So tired of seeing the name "Christian" conflated with white wing politics. And the constant chatter about being "pro-life," which is really just being anti-abortion.

Johnson may give you a sliver of what you'd like, but he also favors coal-powered energy (great for "life!") and thinks all health care should be relegated to the market. He doesn't believe in gun regulation and would like the government not to have any power in hiring and firing decisions -- on matters of race or gender. Discriminate all you like. That's a libertarian.

Diane Ellis
September 6, 2016

As the granddaughter of LEGAL immigrants, granting those who broke the law a two year timeline to become legal is like granting a murderer a pass to do it again. Breaking the law is breaking the law. What about the anchor babies and those who are getting benefits without putting in one penny toward them.

What about his stand on gun control? Does he want to disarm Americans so that we cannot defend ourselves or hunt for our food?

I'm not over the top for any candidate, but we need to look closely at the character of the potential President of the United Stated

Patricia Garitson
September 6, 2016

A third party candidate would be disaster for our Nation. Please try to see beyond the "Christian" label, and think of our beloved Nation.
Trump would give us Supreme Court options, and he sincerely loves America. A vote for Trump could open the door for more conservatives in the future. If Johnson splits the vote and they go to Hillary there will be a disaster in the White House.

Nate
September 8, 2016

Jordan, I, too, was leaning toward Johnson for a while. Although I did not agree with his stances on abortion or gay marriage (among others), I thought a Libertarian vote would at least help keep the government out of our living rooms; If our society would not endorse correct views of sexuality and marriage, at least one would be allowed to live as Christians and teach Christian values to our children. I thought that until I read his stance on religious freedom. Johnson claims his stance is one of compromise, but I don't believe it is. His views put sexuality above religious freedom, and that is one pill I cannot swallow.

What are your thoughts on this? I'm genuinely interested, as i really feel like there's no one I can vote for in good conscience.

Jordan G
September 17, 2016

Hi Diane,

You claim that granting a two year timeline is like letting a murderer go free. As the grandmother of legal immigrants I'm sure you know that in some cases it can take a very long time to become an American citizen. The two year timeline, while not perfect, could allow a father or mother or son to work in the US while sending money back home and be simultaneously applying to become a citizen.

As far as his stance on gun control goes, here is a quote from his interview with USA today- "All these atrocities have been happening in gun-free zones," he declares. "If there were law-abiding citizens that were carrying weapons — I'm not saying they would lessen the impact of these horrible atrocities, but maybe, maybe they could." I think that Johnson and the Libertarian's stance on personal freedom would be the strongest proponents of pro-gun legislation.

Jordan G
September 17, 2016

In Reply to Cale Judd (comment #28976)
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Hi Cale,

Sorry for the late response, classes and work both got busy.

I haven't spent much time looking into a personhood amendment but it sounds like we need it desperately. I firmly believe that future generations will look back on this period of time in horror at the genocide that our nation has committed. As technology becomes more and more advanced we are seeing that life begins earlier than we ever thought. It is definitely going to take a spiritual revival in this nation to bring repentance.

Sheri
October 22, 2016

`Johnson is pro second amendment.

Vinny
November 6, 2016

Im with the author 99%... The main thing I want to pint out is there is propaganda out there used to distort the truth. I may not agree with everuthing Johnson has stated, I do believe he is the only well known candidate to have a chance of winning the popular vote. If he does win the popular vote on Tuesday, and the delegates keep their oath and do their job, then yes GOvernor Johnson actually can win the election. Also, simply contributing to the percentage of voters with faith in an independant (republican running Libertarian in this instance) will force congress to allow third party delegates to exist and voice those who do actuall stand fore Life, Liberty, and Justice in this country. There are so many who accept the first, secind, or cover story, when in reality politics are comples; and dirty tricks are constantly being played by the institution to keep God's children enslaved. We need to shut down the system soon, and Johnson a conservative Independant Republican honest governor,along with a Givernor vp have the best odds to take baby steps in the direction of restoring opportunity and even many of Gods law. Mans false doctrine is blaspemous. The propaganda cannot even be recignized by most, and i must say Gary isnt perfect, but his platform aligns most closely to the bill of rights, constitution, and at the same time aligning with God's law by allowing our choice to follow his law without breaking mans doctrine... We need reduce rhe false doctrines and work on eliminating them in short. God Bless... Brother Vinny S.

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