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Louie Giglio, Obama’s inauguration and playing the persecution card

Branson Parler

Marta L.
January 14, 2013

Like you, I find it a bit disconcerting when Christians expect to be approved by society in general. When I read the Bible, Jesus in particular seems to tell us that most people will not agree with what we're teaching. I think of Christianity more like Socrates's gadfly: something other than the political structure, but that irritates and prods it so the people in "the world" who have the ears to hear realize there's something wrong with their life. Passing laws that require people to behave the way we want, or expecting outward approval of our actions, was never the goal.

Personally, I disagree with Rvd. Giglio's views on homosexual desire. The emphasis should be on controlling the way our desire is expressed, not changing the desire itself, just like with homosexuality. (I realize I may be an outlier here.) But even though I disagree with him, I respect his right to preach what he believes. I also respect him all the more for accepting the bad consequences of his speech with grace, and for removing himself from the spotlight rather than starting a brouhaha that would have been counterproductive to the goals of his ministry with sex trafficking victims. I am sorry he lost the place of honor, but he really impressed me with the way he handled this. I'll probably be keeping an eye on him, and plan on donating to his ministry when I get paid later this week.

Btw, Rachel Held Evans has a nice examination of whether his political rights were violated, and whether he was persecuted. (She thinks no on both counts, and I rather agree.)

Jason Summers
January 14, 2013

Branson, without becoming an apologist for drone warfare, I want to note that just-war thinking involves the notion of double effect, which reasons about the loss of innocent lives in the process of ending some greater evil. It's wrong therefore to characterize the decision being made as one of balancing "our freedom" against "dead children" --- rather it is potential for lives lost now against potential for lives lost later. That is no easy calculation, but neither is it one made glibly.

js

Moherring
January 14, 2013

Youcef Nadarkhani is persecuted for being a Christian. Louie Giglio isn't being persecuted. In fact, he bowed out rather than engage in a dialogue.

Marta, I tend to agree with your position. I didn't always. I believe God, through His grace, has changed the way I view and interact with homosexuals.

Unless I'm mistaken the clips were from the 90's. Does Louie Giglio's opinion changed at all since then. Even Exodus International which ministers to people with same sex attraction and transgender issues has altered their focus on dealing with desire. I would like to know what Giglio thinks now. It would be really refreshing to hear a Christian leader who is brave enough to say, I've altered my stance and here's why. Enough with the "us" vs. "them" attitude toward the "liberal media," people with same sex attractions, and everyone else American Christians view as a threat. There is only one enemy and he isn't human.

TimF
January 16, 2013

Hate crime accusations? Just what section of the penal code do they think was violated? This isn't over-heated rhetoric; it's just silly.

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