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Proctor & Gamble & the devil

Andy Rau

Paul Wilkinson
September 10, 2008

You've made some really good observations here. Now if everybody reading this sends it out to ten people in the next five minutes...

Andyrau
September 10, 2008

Hah! Sir, I salute you.

Giovanni
September 11, 2008

"To believe" should not be applied to everything that features God or Satan

Shannon C.
September 11, 2008

I may be a conspiracy theorist myself, but I sometimes wonder if these stories are made up just to get Christians riled up and make us look stupid and gullible.<br><br>My favorite was the "Stop Madyln Murray O'Hair from taking 'In God We Trust' off our currency," an email that was still circulating years after she went missing, maybe even after they found her body.

JB
September 11, 2008

Hi! I've read this post because a friend shared it with me at Google Reader.<br>Here in Brazil, I've already received this "christian" hoax, but translated to Brazilian reality, about another company!<br>Another hoax is about a Brazilian band called "Catedral" and a talk show. People say they denied Christ three times in this show, but nobody has ever seen this episode. Everybody only "heard about it".

Andyrau
September 11, 2008

Oh yes, that Murray O'Hair one... that's like the queen mother of all Christian urban legends. I'm sure there are earnest Christians even today still spreading the news to their friends and family via email!

jennabee25
September 11, 2008

I know some of some parents who were quite into the whole "Turmoil in the Toybox" craze back in the '80's. It's not necessarily an urban legend, but that book sure got a whole lot of people in a tizzy. I find it akin to the Harry Potter stuff. Moral outrage can take the place of common sense quite easily.<br>

SiarlysJenkins
September 11, 2008

This reminds me of another MMOhair hoax: She had supposedly filed a petition with the FCC to ban mention of "God" on the airwaves. Since I first heard about it from a Presbyterian minister in Alderson, WV, I took it seriously enough to write a letter to the FCC pointing out that as Congress may pass no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion, it would be unconstitutional to ban mention of God from the airwaves. Turns out there was no such petition being considered by the FCC, which probably knows better if one ever was submitted.<br><br>There is another weird piece about Obama on U-Tube, which jumps from Oprah supports Obama to Oprah has a friend who is involved in advocacy of a Dept. of Peace, to advocacy of peace is a harbinger of the anti-Christ. The idea of a Dept. of Peace is ludicrous, and Obama has never mentioned the idea, but Peace = Antichrist???

Kjml
September 11, 2008

Gullibility is universal. At least there's always the 80/20 rule.... The people who believe this stuff are the same ones who think they're going to win the Miracle Lottery if they forward a prayer to 25 people in their address book (or be damned for all eternity if they don't). On the flip side, I have a friend who automatically considers any information coming from a source claiming to be "Christian" as false, bigoted, and ridiculous regardless of objective evidence to the contrary. Being as she also applies that standard to most of what *I* say, the "friendship" is rather one-sided....

Readmore
September 11, 2008

My favorite example of this was Y2K. Sure, everyone had a little Y2K hysteria, but with Christian leaders hyping it, there were flocks of loyal church goers buying up bulk foods and bottled water faster than the stores could stock them.

Andyrau
September 11, 2008

I don't know if you read Slacktivist's weekly "Left Behind" analysis, Siarlys, but the weird "promoting peace = antichrist" thing keeps cropping up there too. So many Christians have internalized the idea that the antichrist will be a prominent peacemaker that when somebody comes along advocating peace, it actually makes some Christians immediately suspect that he's in league with the devil. Pretty frustrating.

SiarlysJenkins
September 11, 2008

Yes, it is. Had someone published a Bible which lists "Prince of Peace" as one of the titles given to Satan? Or is it the latest decoded meaning of Baal Zevuv?

Arshield
September 12, 2008

My wife just got a copy last week

Arshield
September 12, 2008

Department of Peace is an idea from Dennis Kucinich. According to this wikipedia article it was first proposed during the Washington administration.<br><br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Peace" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...</a><br>

Arshield
September 12, 2008

I tend to send proof that the emails are fake back to the people that write them. So much so that my brother now sends a disclaimer on his emails saying that it might not be true, but if it is not he doesn't want to know about it. Which in my mind is worse than actually forwarding the email itself.

Sharon
September 12, 2008

Being a Christian, employed by Procter and Gamble for 17 years I appreciate this article. <br>Note to moderator: Please correct the spelling of Procter (not Proctor)..thanks

Truth Inspired
September 12, 2008

Even if they are "legends" or not, it really shouldn't have anything to do with a Christian and his/her beliefs. We are to live in the world but not be of the world. It won't effect our ultimate destination one way or the other so whether or not it's true is sort of irrelevant.

E
September 13, 2008

YOU FORGOT THE 666 ON P&amp;G LOGO!!!!

Maureen
September 14, 2008

Anyone remember 88 Reasons Christ will return in 1988? That booklet was pretty convincing. I wasn't totaly convinced because I went to work that day but I thought it might happen.

SiarlysJenkins
September 14, 2008

Every so often three digits of the odometer on the bus I drive read 666. Once I got four 6's in a row. I notice, because I have to record mileage throughout the day. Obviously transit for people with disabilities is also a Satanic plot.

SiarlysJenkins
September 14, 2008

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called servants of the Antichrist.

Onelove
April 7, 2009

Actually I disagree, I to can be gullible sometimes in believing such things &amp; some things are probably not true but some are obvious. Isn't our faith &amp; beliefs based on the Bible. For instance the Lord (in the Bible of course) is against magic, witchcraft &amp; its clearly says so in "The Bible" than wouldn't Harry Potter be a bad movie for our children to watch, because of course it is teaching them the wrong thing. Now maybe we don't all know the story behind "Proctor &amp; Gamble", that's why I am here to find out more, because I don't want to believe they support the Church of satan, but if they do, I certainly don't want to be a part of that.

OneWhoKnows
March 17, 2010

I agree, dear Onelove. I too think Harry Potter is not right for our children (or ourselves) because of what the Bible says about witchcraft &amp; magic. I am also trying to find out the truth of Procter &amp; Gamble. Has it ever occured to anyone that during a taping of a show the comments by the individuals can be edited or the show can simply not be aired altogether due to controversial material? Therefore, the "rumors" would have to come from some source, right? Who would that be, I wonder? Perhaps the live audience members who attended? Also, it would be very easy for Oprah or whatever talk show Procter &amp; Gamble were on to say that they were never on their show which wouldn't be a complete lie if it never aired. . . come on people spiritual warfare is so real and Satan is a lot smarter than we give him credit for. I mean he's been at this game longer than humans have even been created for goodness' sake!! Who do you think we're dealing with here, Mr. Bean??!! He has hidden things within our very churches that go against our Creator and you want to discount "rumors" just because some big names in "Christianity" were either paid off or didn't do their own research? I'm sorry the Bible says TRUST GOD NOT MAN ~ see Psalm 118:8 please. We must do our own research and I'm telling you all, Google is biased and the internet is more crap than truth. We must glean from all we read and are told. We must get back to asking God what is real and what is false, He will show us if we but ask. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER believe everything you read or are told. If a "rumor" comes up then whether or not it is true can only be answered by God. I will tell you I personally have been given such Truth from God (because I asked for it) that the things He has shown me would be totally unbelievable to most people because their eyes are not yet open to receive what He has personally shown me (others too know what I know &amp; believe). We're talking MAJOR cover ups and some just down right bold blasphemies that you just don't want to believe that you saw and heard what you did. It seems unreal. . . Then you ask yourself a question, "Why wouldn't Satan be able to do such a thing, why wouldn't he want this confusion &amp; chaos - IN OUR OWN CHURCHES!!??" Sin is the world we live in and Satan is the father of it, folks. The only sure fire way to know what is truth and what is counterfeit is to study the only thing that is true - the Bible &amp; yes I would recommend KJV or NKJV for reasons I won't get into, but the old, old, oldest KJV is best. You don't see many of those around any more, I wonder why. . . Is it really that difficult to cover things up? If a powerful entity could get away with something, would they &amp; if so at what cost? Haven't we learned anything from the Nixon files and multiple others?? It's time to wake up and know that anyone who isn't truly for God can easily be paid off. I must be led by God and Him alone. Sola Scriptura. He will help me find the true answers and sometimes, guys, what He ends up showing you. . . well, others simply won't believe you and won't be able to process it. Does that mean it's not true because others don't believe it? The ark still hasn't been discovered (or excuse me, perhaps not revealed), but the Bible gives minute details of it. Does that mean it's not real? Faith is what we are lacking. Please, please test things to see if they are true. If P&amp;G did make a statement such as is in question and it caused all of this turmoil would they stand behind it knowing that it would potentially cost them millions if not billions in sales? Would Oprah or Donahue or whoever want to be the talk show that supported such a statement (and by even having them on the show would show support, would it not?)? Wow, it certainly makes me think twice I don't care if Billy Graham does support P&amp;G!! Who says pastors cannot be mislead??? The last time I read my Bible it told me that even the very elect can be deceived!! God is good and He knows our hearts. He does not want us to be deceived. Satan is the master of cover up. There is sooo much that is now coming out about secret societies and such. Why?? Because aren't we now a nation that wants to "accept" things and people no matter what? Are we not a nation that now condones homosexuality and abortion?? Detestable, murderous acts and we now support such things. Secret societies don't have to be so secret anymore, that's SCARY, folks!! And furthermore, if these hidden things are now coming out, what else has been hidden that hasn't yet come out, I shudder to think. . . May God be with us all and enlighten us all with the TRUTH that He possesses. I hope this helps you, Onelove and note that I was speaking indirectly to others as well. This was not meant to offend at all only to enlighten. For references please look up Dr. Walter Veith - he has an entire series on "New World Order" and "Secret Societies" stuff. Also, "The Future of Food" is enlightening, albeit in a very scary sense. "The Road to Rome" is the same. These are all available on DVD and if you can't find a copy (no surprise there) then I have some I can send you. It's real, spiritual warfare is real and it is being covered up by the one in charge. God is allowing things to be revealed just as in Biblical times. Let's pay attention and educate ourselves so we are not deceived. God bless &amp; keep us all.

Patti0107
September 9, 2010

There will always be people trying to find Satan ( and his evil works)<br>in any and everything. What I know. Noone needs to look for evil.<br>It shows up. Where there is good evil is presence. Pray God never<br>fails.

Michaelmalkowski
November 6, 2011

you are so right the devil has some wits but my god is way smarter and helps us see through the deception

Atheist
December 17, 2011

<a href="http://snopes.com" rel="nofollow">snopes.com</a> is your friend

Donna
June 15, 2017

Hi. I am actually googling articles like this today because my son informed me that he researched this subject and found it to be false. I was instantly outraged. I saw the show that is in question. The man said, "there aren't enough Christians in the world to make a difference". After the program people were so outraged that the program offered the transcripts and a list of P&G products. My mother ordered the transcripts and carried them for years. I think that the man found out that there WERE enough Christians to make a difference and he had to do some backpedaling. It makes me upset that even the Christian community is doing all they can to support someone who admits to supporting the church of satan. Please don't believe all that you read, most are just copied from other websites! This really did happen! I was there and had the transcripts from the show. It was a burden to stop buying the products...but this is one Christian who will keep making the difference!!!

Donna
June 15, 2017

I was there. I heard him say it. Be careful what you are reporting to be false. My mother even ordered the transcripts of the show. This article is supporting a man that I heard with my own ears admit to being a satan supporter.

Willy
June 16, 2017

Flyers were even printed out for the p & g one.saying .stop buying all p & g items.yep i remember this well

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