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Turmoil in the toybox!

Andy Rau

jennabee25
September 12, 2008

I was so surprised to see this post this morning! Thank you so much and you're welcome!

This is something my husband and I talk about a lot because he was a victim of this book. The pastor at his church (which is now our church) extolled the virtues of this book in one of his sermons and his mom went nuts over it. He could no longer have the Care Bear that comforted him in the hospital and other toys that he had been playing with.

The quotes from the book also remind me of some of the quote this same pastor would say about Harry Potter, like kids would rather do witchcraft because it would get them what they want, etc It's a moral outrage thing. Don't get me wrong, I like my pastor, but I wonder where he gets his info sometimes.


Thomas Miller
September 12, 2008

As Ridiculous as some of these stories may sound, we as Christians must not be equally as ridiculous to assume that all of mankind has good and pure intentions (even those who claim to do so) because we learn in the bible that the enemy is cunning. We must also be "wise as serpents", although, with this wisdom we must exercise balance because we must also be "as gentle as doves". I agree that too much time is spent in trying to pick out evil in all aspects of media and social popularity, but we must be careful in trying to entertain ourselves with things that put us, or our children, in spiritual compromise. For example, Harry Potter is a very imaginative story, yet it is nonetheless a story that fancifies wizardry (i.e. witchcraft). Not to say that we should burn all the Harry Potter dvds and books in the world, but we should regard these themes with the same descretion as nudity and gore. Personally, I try to avoid any story that glorifies witches and wizards, because these type of tales are influential and leave you rooting for the hero, or the wizard, witch, or even demon as we see in shows and movies such as Hell Boy, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Charmed, and Harry Potter. Remember: NARROW is the path...........

Hishtafel
September 12, 2008

Oh man! I was helping out with a youth group retreat a couple years ago, and someone found this book on the bookshelf in the common room. We gathered around and took turns reading it aloud... everyone thought it was hilarious. Well, hilarious, and horrifying at the same time.

~Q

Ted Olsen
September 12, 2008

I've actually kept a copy around and am holding it in my hand right now. Wonder if I should put it on ebay

Ted Olsen
September 12, 2008

Oh, one more thing: there was a great (earnest, not ironic) folk/prog-rock (!) album that went along with this book: Dennis Preston's "Toys from Hell." I picked it up from True Tunes (RIP) back in the day. Preston has a myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/dennisp... and he does some pretty awesome art that believe it or not even tops that awesome Terror in the Toybox cover.

Wezlo
September 12, 2008

The book is real. Some friends of mine have a copy and showed it to me. Apparently the parents of my one friend purchased it after a church event where they got the author in and it sent them a little loopy. I've read a couple of chapters - I had to stop because I was banging my head too hard against the desk...

The biggest joke on my friend's copy is the ribbon on the cover that tries to over-do the book's success by saying, "Over 100,000 copies in print" (I think that was the number). The key being that it makes not mention of how many copies were SOLD.

Dan
September 12, 2008

Dave Benoit, an anti-rock preacher and culture warrior from the 80s had a lecture and cassette series on this very subject. We saw him speak several times back in the day in Waukesha, WI. He-Man, the Smurfs, Care Bears, it's all in there. He's still around these days, here's a youtube clip linking magic the gathering to 'brutal murder' -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Greg Gordon
September 14, 2008

I don't understand why there is a mocking at these men. They are clearly showing that there is depictions of witches and warlocks in a kids cartoon. This is alarming and christians should not let their children watch such things. I believe there is a LARGE amount of occult now in television programming. To quote paul washer "many of the things you watch on tv, God hates." I encourage anyone to watch this video by paul washer with almost 1 million views on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Maureen
September 14, 2008

My kids heard about this one when they took Bible classes at a Christian school. They aso saw an evils of Disney video. I expect the Enemy of our souls loves this sort of diversion. Nothing like scaring Christians into circling the wagons even tighter to keep us isolated and out of culture.

Ash
September 15, 2008

i actually read this book several times as a kid...along with peretti stuff...it didn't stop me from playing with or watching smurfs, carebears, rainbow brite, etc...

my other fave was a small book that detailed all the evil-ness of every heavy metal/hard rock band out there... wish i could remember the name of it.

SolShine7
September 16, 2008

Maybe we should show these kind of flashbacks in churches today to see how silly something can look in the future. We need to pick out battles wisely and things like the Care Bears shouldn't be one of them.

Oharaville
September 27, 2008

As far as the He-Man testimony is concerned: I was a childhood He-Man fan AND I was also subjected to Turmoil in the Toybox as a teenager. I tend to think that children want to believe in their commercial superheroes. I know I did. This is probably anecdotal evidence of a child's affection for his action figure, not a tale of spiritual warfare.

ploGONE
October 19, 2008

And after I add whatever I said before it's the truth I got a tragedy from Turmoil in the Toy Box from the backlash generation that said because this book says D&D is evil you are evil and I have to fight evil in real life instead of D&D when I'm a Holy Spirit filled Christian who plays D&D. I will say this over and over again to the idiots who wrote this book.
It's 100% the parent 0% the toy.
Also toys like on that Saturday Night Live skit like the Halloween costume for kid's Invisible Pedestrian. If the toy can't jump up and bite the kid and the parents take their oh so busy time (when their main job is to explain things to kids reality) WHAT REALITY IS!
We wouldn't have problems like me

Jen
November 4, 2008

OH GOD OH GOD

I was FORCED to toss out all of my My Little Ponies and Rainbow Brite Dolls (yes, they and the Care Bears are in the book) Because of the furor over this book in the 80's

I used to let my non-Christian friends read it for fun!

Lcm
December 4, 2008

Yes, I've read the book. It's for real--meaning, yes, there's some "interesting" ideas in it. I can't really slam the guy too much, because I think his intentions were good. I think he really believed he was helping people. Society at that time, especially the Christian community, was wrapped up in Satanic panic and all kinds of other phobias. There was a demon around every corner. Every cartoon had a secret meaning, every toy was a ploy by Satanists to brainwash kids, every secular (non-Christian) band (and some Christian artists/bands) had secret, evil messages in their songs. While I can look back and see some of where they were coming from, having lived as a child through then entire 1980's, But it was frustrating back then when you watch a tv show and all of a sudden, mom and dad says we can't watch it anymore because it's of the devil. I think his views just reflect the general thinking of the Christian community at the time. But thankfully, Christians have since gained a realistic perspective on things. (by the way....believe this or not, but I read that book when I was about 7 or 8 years old...).

Scott
March 1, 2009

After reading this book, my parents tried to ban GI Joe. Even though there is no occult stuff in GI Joe.

joker316
March 23, 2010

I have the book and it's a, well we will say interesting read.

Supervixen_20012000
August 2, 2010

I remember my mom and grandma reading this book, and after that my He-Man and She-Ra action figures were thrown in the trash. But the author (I watched the video on youtube) made good point about how children get wrapped up in cartoons and toys.

Bap
June 24, 2011

I know this is an old discussion thread (over 10 months ago for the next most recent comments), but I'll thrown in.  I recently picked up a copy of this at a Goodwill store, and I'm just about to finish it off.  I'm a collectible toy dealer and am working on the possibility of launching a publication for collectors on certain toy lines.  As I've read through this book, I've been appalled by several things, not in order of importance:

1) The apparent lack of proofreading and proper written English.  Beyond poor grammar and punctuation, there are passages in which what starts out as a direct quote somehow morphs into a second-hand description of some other subject.
2) The apparent lack of thorough research concerning the matters discussed, even on a basic factual level. Does anyone remember Yoda having been referred to as "Zen Master"?
3) The apparent lack of clear thought. Among other things, the author has a penchant for inflating a benign similarity between an element of pop culture and an occult symbol into the very connection the originator of that element had in mind.

This book is, at best, a shortcut to a few tidbits of information concerning the connections between pop culture and the occult or other examples of evil in the world, but be prepared to sift through a lot of obviously false statements and other signs of a lack of credibility on various aspects of this issue.

MomMaven
July 30, 2011

I read Turmoil in the Toybox in 1990 while I was a preschool teacher. It pointed out several things about my beloved toys as a child but, it all made sense...like the pentagram in Gargamel's lair in the Smurfs...this book did have an effect on how I raised my kids and what they were allowed to watch and play with. I choose to err on the side of  Thessalonians 5:21-22

Michael McGowan
August 18, 2011

My parents read this travesty, when I was 6 and it completely ruined my childhood, I still remember the day I got home from school, and my dad was out in the back yard, his burning barrel lit ablaze, the toys of my youth were gone in an hour, and the bitterness for a god that would sentence my toys to a fiery grave began.

Now at the age of 30 I'm an atheist, and a recovering heroin addict, I've been sober for over a year, and I live an honest and caring life.  I now take care of my mother, and my father has been gone for 7 years due to cancer.

Anyone with any sense can watch these men shill their book, and see that they were completely off their rockers, and this doesn't come from any sort of personal grudge, it's just reality.  Half the argument that is presented is the fact that people like Skeletor are using majic, and communing with Evil Spirits, or the dead.  Isn't that the same allegory that the bible teaches?  Evil men will do things that are unnatural, and we should fight against it with our whole beings. 

Other classic themes of evil such as D&D and "The dice that were burned in the fire were screaming" are prepostorus, there is no great leap taken to think that the plastic would make some sort of shril noise while being burned, but to align that with the death of the evil spirits that inhabited the dice, is childish. 

I don't see how anyone out there could watch this with a straight face, and then go out and follow these schmucks commands.  If you burn all of you children's possessions, due to the fact that some schmoe said it was evil, than you won't be saving him, you will be creating a nerd.  A nerd that will always long for things of the past, and strive to obtain his youth that was lost in a burn barrel.  By the way did anyone see my pentagram laying around here?

Forster897
October 17, 2011

I remember not being allowed to have GI Joes for awhile after this came out... Freakin GI Joes for crying out loud!!! All because they were satanic due to the fact that they use martial arts... Fortunately, my parents eventually wised up to this guy as a nut-case...

Michael Bueltel
November 1, 2011

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Michael Bueltel
November 1, 2011

The Bible also has depictions in them as well.  The forces of good and forces of evil are clearly defined.  He-Man is most certainly an allegory of Jesus and Skeletor is the Devil.  Heck there was a He Man episode that was EXACTLY the same story as that of a skit that my youth pastors put on once.

Roxane P
July 14, 2015

I was a victim of this book, also. I personally read it for the first time when I was 7 years old, and it is on my parent's bookshelf to this day (27 years later.) The fear and confusion it caused was far worse than any so-called "occult" exposure from the toys mentioned. I still vividly remember my parents going through my toys, separating all of the toys listed, and burning them in a church bonfire.

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