May 7, 2008
Hi!<br><br>I won't just leave right there and then. First of all, I will consult the Bible if indeed he is in error. I will also consult my small group leader if I am not the leader.<br><br>If the pastor insists on such views and nothing is being done about it, I will try to personally talk to the pastor.
I love my church and my pastor, However, if my pastor tried to preach something that did not line up with God's word, then Iwould find it difficult to stay there. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.but when you are responsible for preaching or teaching something that could potentially be damaging to someone's sole then that is another whole question. I am sure there are many issues that are non salvational that would not be damming so I would have to evualate the subject the pastor is speaking on. There are many times that I listen to different views from different ministers, you have to learn to dismiss those that are not backed up by the word and keep those that are backed up by the word. Opinions do not matter only the word of God matters. He has the last and final word. That is why we must know what the word say. because "without knowledge, my people will perish says the Lord".<br>Thank you for letting me express my opinion.<br>Ms Mary
Matthew 18 says it well.<br><br>Everyone matters.<br><br>Don't leave out of minor disagreement - talk to the pastor first and then the church leaders and then, if no resolution, don't leave but keep him at arm's length.<br><br>Be merciful and forgive.<br><br>That's the why the Father in heaven deals with such things.<br><br>
I still believe the question is too broad. Is your pastor preaching something unscriptural or is he speaking about something that is not addressed in scripture. i.e. you pastor can be out to lunch on a certain political issue like global warming which is a non-salvation issue. Or he may be out to lunch on a theological issues like the virgin birth which is also a non-salvation issue. There is a big difference in my conviction to stay or leave the church.
I'm happy that I'm part of a church which teaches respect for the pastor/elders, but recognition they are fallible humans, too. Our teaching elder welcomes discussions and challenges to his preaching, as long as its based on what the Bible says. Is there total agreement on every single thing? No. But we have love and respect for each other and a commitment to learning and proclaiming God's truth.<br><br>By the way, I and many fellow church members have strong political beliefs, too, and we believe biblical principles should affect political beliefs. But we stop short of equating the two. That's a good thing, I think...
If I were Roman Catholic or Mormon, possibly even Anglican, and the priest, pastor, elder, whatever made a pronouncement that all church members must believe X, I would leave the church. That is what inspired the Protestant Reformation. Being a Protestant, inclined toward congregational church governance, but drawn to a Methodist (AMEZ) church where I found the worship and fellowship inspiring, and the episcopal leadership acceptable because it is administrative, not setting theological litmus tests, I would not leave a church merely because the pastor erred, in either his personal life or his pronouncements from the pulpit. I might, or I might not, make my differences known to the pastor, depending on how important it was to me. It is obvious that Rev. Jeremiah Wright built a church where 8000 people feel at home, find warm Christian fellowship, find ministries that are good for the community, all of which is according to the Gospel. It is sad that when Rev. Wright was thrust into the national limelight, he chose to highlight some of the more paranoid utterances that he has included in an obviously rich ministry. Much of what appears in the full videos of his sermons I can fully embrace. But the pastor is not the church.
The first thing I'd suggest was to make sure that I was not in error in my own opinions on the subject. Obviously the way to do this is through prayer and study and even discussion with others (although a majority vote, so to speak, is not always the correct one). Secondly I would discuss my concerns privately with the pastor after all it may not be a big issue and we sometimes are entitled to have differant opinions. Look at the divisions over the Rapture for example. <br>The major thing about being a christian is that our lords message was very simple and to create a stir over some issues, in the long run, may simply just not matter. The devil loves people arguing amongst themselves. Look at the Anglican church, as a matter of fact, look at all the differant 'christian' churches.<br>What is the MOST important thing? Jesus came to save us all. He sacrificed his life and rose again so that we should all be free. It's not rocket science.<br>Yes sometimes the issue may be serious enough to leave a church, I've done so myself, and this was because the pastor took control of the entire church standing down the worship team and not letting anyone else take a part in the church. Basically he made us all sit there while he did the entire praise & worship, communion and preaching. He would not listen to the elders and the church was dying as a result. He was a control freak and had stifled the spirits movement. Time to move on. It was tough because we had been there almost 20 years through lots of crap. But we moved Up, not on.
I was in a similar situation many years ago. I was going from Christian Church to Christian Church over a period of years like a smorgashborg. My Father`s family was going to this large religious organization that had church`s in many cities around the world. They used other books in addtion to the Bible. I joined this religion without really reading their religious books. Until I heard on a christian radio program an expose` on this church`s teachings. I did the research I should have done years before and found this church was preaching about another Christ and taught another gospel. When I approached the local head of the and asked him about the differences they taught over everyother Christian Church I had attended before. He said I was an "aspostate" and to leave I was no longer able to attend and my position in that church is no longer valid anywhere in the world. So I left but I said I would pray that they would see the error of their ways.
What if your pastor preaches Arian, Pelagian, Sabellian, or other heresies, or if you don't accept the Athanasian orthodoxy? I once ran across some positive commentary on Pelagius, which turned out to be posted by a Mormon. I wondered about this when ChrisWeller noted that our Lord's message was very simple. On principle, I agree. How simple is it? Are any of the vexatious disputes I just mentioned essential to the simple message? Many Christians have killed each other over the difference. Personally, I don't think how a person thinks about any of them matter. But then, I don't much care about the Trinity either. I'm not Trinitarian, but I'm not militantly Unitarian either. I can worship in a church that sings "Father, Son and Holy Ghost." Jesus never did define what those are, or what their complete relationship to each other is. And he never called himself the Son of God. He called himself ben Adam, the Son of Man.
Does inviting non-Trinitarians to speak prophesy to your (reformed) church, having a "prophet" perform an impartation on the pastor's wife in the Sunday morning service, and sending the youth group to New Orleans to work, stay and worship with a congregation that is aligned with Word of Faith non-trinitarians count as "error"?<br><br><a href="http://mzellen.com/blog10/my-old-church/" rel="nofollow">Been there, done that.</a>
For me, the Church is a Family, If for instance I do not agree with my dad's opinion one morning, I wouldn't pack and leave just like that, I would remain and look for a way to work out things. A pastor can make a mistake as any of us can, if people would walk away from our lives because we think differently from them, I think every one would be alone by now. the best way is to try and solve the problem not the person.
Here's some interesting information. One of the KEY people responsible for "breaking" the story on Obamas Pastor was S.Hannity...he repeatedly would bash Obama and his relationship to Wright,over and over again. He virtually made Obama "guilty" by association alone! While doing so he also would boast "I'm a Christian" on his program. Well...few people know that his "boss" is Rubert Murdoch who owns Fox Sports,Fox News and the Fox Network where Hannity works...Murdoch is NOT ONLY an Atheist but also owns and promotes porno web sites. Hannity,as a Christian MUST KNOW this... if Obama is guilty by association...WHAT does that make Hannity????
A repentant sinner!
I don't think the hateful speech by Jeremiah Wright would be considered a "non-salvation" issue. The Bible teaches us to "love our enemies"...your actions say alot about the love you have for others. I would not recommend anyone staying at that fellowship.<br>
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